Free speech...as long as its their speech
Michelle Malkin has an email on her site from a professor at Michigan State University to the Campus Muslim Students association.
I back the professor 275% .. this proves once again that free speech is ok, as long as its the liberals free speech
posted by LiberalismIsAMentalDisorder @ 08:56
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As I have stated before on this sight. We maybe playing the same game but we are not playing by the same rules. If I were to complain that the Muslims offend me by not accepting that Jesus is the savior and they should be beheaded, that any one who converts from christianity should be stoned to death I would be greeted with "that is your religion not mine". Why is it wrong for me to tell them that?
WMD Maker
Now I know that this might come as a shock to some of you, but not all Muslims fall into the, erm, to quote Malkin, "knife-wielding, embassy-burning, effigy-hanging, fatwa-issuing [funny because a fatwa is any religious edict issued by a cleric, regardless of content. Of course, Malkin makes no claim to know shit about Islam] Muslim hate-mongers threatening to murder all infidels who merely insult them" category. While you have your crazy fundamentalists, not all Muslims are like that. There is a very large group of Muslims who were offended by those pictures who didn't riot, who didn't threaten, who staged peaceful proteses. She takes a few crazies and pretends its all muslims. Hell, I was offended by those cartoons and I'm not even Muslim. As for the cartoon, just because they had a right to publish it, didn't make it right.
"Now I know that this might come as a shock to some of you, but not all Muslims fall into the, erm, to quote Malkin, "knife-wielding, embassy-burning, effigy-hanging,"
Yes...we know this, and the sarcasm is not welcomed in stating this. I stand by the statement, "Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims"
"She takes a few crazies and pretends its all muslims. Hell, I was offended by those cartoons and I'm not even Muslim. "
First, she never stated all muslims are crazies, just like I have stated all liberals and/or democrats are not loonie and all republicans/conservatives are not right wing. You are inferring something from the article which shows your ignorance on Malkins position.
Question for you though, why are you offended by the cartoons? If you are offended by the muslim cartoons, why are you not offended by cartoons poking fun at Jesus, God, Moses, political leaders and personalities?
"As for the cartoon, just because they had a right to publish it, didn't make it right."
No it doesnt, but it does make it excercising ones 1st amendment rights (In the United States).
I dont see or hear your outrage against the muslims in the pictures holding up signs saying to "Butcher those who mock islam" "Exterminate those who slander Islam" etc...why is it ok for them to call for killing in the name of Islam, but if any other religious group did the same it would be all out jihad on that group? Why is it NOT ok for Christians to hold signs and preach peace, yet it is ok for these "Muslims" to call for death and destruction? Let me hear your outrage on that, then you can speak to the issue at hand as Malkin raised, not as you interpreted it.
"Yes...we know this, and the sarcasm is not welcomed in stating this. I stand by the statement, "Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims" "
Except the Basque separatists in Spain, the IRA, the Nagaland rebels, the National Liberation Front of Tripura, the Lords Resistance Army, Shiv Sena, Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, Jewish extremist zealots in Israel, the Khalistan Liberation Force, Aum Supreme Truth, Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, the Naxalites, need I go on?… I don’t think there’s a single Muslim in any of these groups.
“First, she never stated all muslims are crazies, just like I have stated all liberals and/or democrats are not loonie and all republicans/conservatives are not right wing. You are inferring something from the article which shows your ignorance on Malkins position.”
That is certainly the impression I get, however. I’ve read her blog before, I don’t think I’ve ever seen her with a single nice thing to say about Islam, never seen her mention the modernist movement, or seen her even mention the peaceful protests.
“Question for you though, why are you offended by the cartoons? If you are offended by the muslim cartoons, why are you not offended by cartoons poking fun at Jesus, God, Moses, political leaders and personalities?”
Did I ever say I was not offended by cartoons poking fun at Jesus, God, or Moses? No. You are accusing me of things I have never done. I am offended for the same reason you would likely be offended if you heard me call a black person a nigger.
“No it doesnt, but it does make it excercising ones 1st amendment rights (In the United States).”
Like I said, just because they had the right to do it, didn’t justify them doing it. Legally, it was alright. Morally, it wasn’t.
“I dont see or hear your outrage against the muslims in the pictures holding up signs saying to "Butcher those who mock islam" "Exterminate those who slander Islam" etc...why is it ok for them to call for killing in the name of Islam, but if any other religious group did the same it would be all out jihad on that group?”
That does piss me off. Those people are very much in the wrong. I condemn them too. However, they are a loony fringe group. Most Muslims are not like that, like the comic implies. But the point of the thread was not about them, it was about the cartoon.
Where is your outrage to all the hate-crimes that happened after 9/11? Where is your outrage against Ann Coulter for saying we should invade their countries and convert them all to Christianity? I don’t see your outrage over those?
So whats your views on the cartoon?
“Why is it NOT ok for Christians to hold signs and preach peace, yet it is ok for these "Muslims" to call for death and destruction?”
Where did I say that? Where did anyone worth mentioning say that?
"I am offended for the same reason you would likely be offended if you heard me call a black person a nigger."
That doesnt offend me, that offends the person it is directed at. In fact, someone calling an african american the N word is rather amusing because it means I am going to get to watch an ass kicking take place.
"That does piss me off. Those people are very much in the wrong. I condemn them too. However, they are a loony fringe group. Most Muslims are not like that, like the comic implies. But the point of the thread was not about them, it was about the cartoon."
It is ALWAYS about them because THEY are the ones who are offended by a stinking cartoon.
"Where is your outrage to all the hate-crimes that happened after 9/11? "
I wasnt blogging until just recently, but let me tell you this, which is something I have maintained through all of the good and bad of what I have posted, if someone has committed a crime, regardless of what crime, they deserve any and all punishment the law has to say about it.
"Where is your outrage against Ann Coulter for saying we should invade their countries and convert them all to Christianity? I don’t see your outrage over those?"
Show me...provide proof...that Ann Coulter has said those words, and I will be outraged as you are.
"So whats your views on the cartoon?"
Simply stated...its a joke..humor..something to not be taken seriously, so why kill and maim over it?
"Where did I say that? Where did anyone worth mentioning say that?"
you didnt, but .. ahem .. the implication was there from your posting. Nowhere in your statement did you condemn the muslims holding the signs, in fact, you defended them indirectly by taking offense to Malkin.
Do you see why conservatives and democrats can not get along? The democrats and/or liberals in this country continually attack the conservatives but never REALLY speak to the issues...is it any wonder that nothing gets done?
"That doesnt offend me, that offends the person it is directed at. In fact, someone calling an african american the N word is rather amusing because it means I am going to get to watch an ass kicking take place."
But still you agree that it is wrong. (Since I guess I'll have to do this for EVERY SINGLE THING I SAY), I am not condoning the radicals!
"It is ALWAYS about them because THEY are the ones who are offended by a stinking cartoon."
Does THEY extend to moderate American Muslims? Because many of those were offended too.
"I wasnt blogging until just recently, but let me tell you this, which is something I have maintained through all of the good and bad of what I have posted, if someone has committed a crime, regardless of what crime, they deserve any and all punishment the law has to say about it."
But did you feel the same way about it like you did about those fuckers with the signs?
"Show me...provide proof...that Ann Coulter has said those words, and I will be outraged as you are."
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ann_Coulter#On_Muslims_and_Islam
(prepares for outrage, but doesn't expect any genuine outrage)
""you didnt, but .. ahem .. the implication was there from your posting. Nowhere in your statement did you condemn the muslims holding the signs, in fact, you defended them indirectly by taking offense to Malkin. "
Taking offense to what sounded like Malkin generalizing an entire group? Like I said, show me anywhere where she has ever said a nice thing about Islam. Please explain to me how that is defending the sign-holders. This may come as a shock, but sometimes BOTH sides are in the wrong.
"Do you see why conservatives and democrats can not get along? The democrats and/or liberals in this country continually attack the conservatives but never REALLY speak to the issues...is it any wonder that nothing gets done? "
Give me an issue and I'll speak on it.
-Nick
"But still you agree that it is wrong. (Since I guess I'll have to do this for EVERY SINGLE THING I SAY), I am not condoning the radicals!"
It is wrong, but it still doesnt offend me, like I said, it amuses me because I am going to get to watch a righteous ass kicking
"Does THEY extend to moderate American Muslims? Because many of those were offended too."
Yes..but the topic in discussion is the radical muslims
"But did you feel the same way about it like you did about those fuckers with the signs"
I stand by my statement, break the law, go to jail.
"http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ann_Coulter#On_Muslims_and_Islam
(prepares for outrage, but doesn't expect any genuine outrage)"
This is going to be tricky for me, the one article that Wikipedia references on her statement is not a valid link, so at this time, there is still no proof she said that, HOWEVER, if in fact the bastion of an online encyclopedia that takes as fact WHATEVER someone writes in there..WHOEVER that may be, is correct then I am outraged. But what I do see her saying is that Christianity is about peace and forgiveness, not about maiming and killing such as the case with Islam
"Taking offense to what sounded like Malkin generalizing an entire group? Like I said, show me anywhere where she has ever said a nice thing about Islam. Please explain to me how that is defending the sign-holders. This may come as a shock, but sometimes BOTH sides are in the wrong."
And yet you still do not condemn them or their message...hmmm
"Give me an issue and I'll speak on it."
And you speak well, and I appreciate that, its refreshing!
"Yes..but the topic in discussion is the radical muslims"
I disagree. The cartoon was accusing mohommad himself of being a terrorist, saying the religion itself was full of terrorists. That's why it was insulting. It targeted all muslims, not just the kooks.
"This is going to be tricky for me, the one article that Wikipedia references on her statement is not a valid link, so at this time, there is still no proof she said that, HOWEVER, if in fact the bastion of an online encyclopedia that takes as fact WHATEVER someone writes in there..WHOEVER that may be, is correct then I am outraged."
In one of her books, I think it's "how to talk to a liberal", she mentions the quote on the back of her book. Go to the bookstore, and look at her books, and you should find it.
" But what I do see her saying is that Christianity is about peace and forgiveness, not about maiming and killing such as the case with Islam"
How much about Islam do you actually know? How much studying have you done on it?
Isn't invading their countries, killing their leaders, and forcing conversion NOT about peace and forgiveness? Isn't that violent, not to mention wrong?
"And yet you still do not condemn them or their message...hmmm"
Except when I say, of course, "That does piss me off. Those people are very much in the wrong. I condemn them too."
Link to coulter's comment:
http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2001/091301.htm
Nick
"I disagree. The cartoon was accusing mohommad himself of being a terrorist, saying the religion itself was full of terrorists. That's why it was insulting. It targeted all muslims, not just the kooks."
So let me ask you this, are cartoons depicting George Bush as hitler ok? Are cartoons of Dick Cheney holding guns and shooting in reckless fashion ok? Are cartoons of Jesus Christ in any situation that accuses him of being anything other than our Lord and Savior ok?
"In one of her books, I think it's "how to talk to a liberal", she mentions the quote on the back of her book. Go to the bookstore, and look at her books, and you should find it."
I happen to be chaperoning a bunch of teenagers this weekend at the mall, so I will take a look at it. But I have a question, what makes Ann Coulter a spokesperson for america?
"How much about Islam do you actually know? How much studying have you done on it?"
I know the Quran calls for cutting the heads off of infidels, I also know it calls for anyone who doesnt believe to be summarily executed in various forms and fashions. I will admit, my expertise in the Quran is non-existent, and like most, have only heard what it has to say from other people, but the sources have been credible. NOWHERE in the bible does it call for you to kill or maim anyone who doesnt believe, in fact, as Christians, we are directed to pray for those who do not believe.
Did you know that most mainstream teachings call for you to die for your savior, yet Christianity is the only teachings that tell you that your savior died for you...so you do not have to?
"Isn't invading their countries, killing their leaders, and forcing conversion NOT about peace and forgiveness? Isn't that violent, not to mention wrong?"
It is, but you are oversimplifying (SP?) the situation, as I have probably over simplified Islam, so your point is taken, however; this is not to say that I agree with you. There are stories in the Bible where God has called for man to take the high road, with means that are less than peaceful. God recognises that there are times that force is needed and warranted, as such, he does not condone killing in his name, and teaches to try and find the peaceful solutions FIRST. Which is what we have done with Iraq and Islamofascists who are kooks.
"Except when I say, of course, "That does piss me off. Those people are very much in the wrong. I condemn them too.""
Thank you, I was waiting to hear that from you and I appreciate your position on this.
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