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Saturday, October 14, 2006

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From Pakistani Christian Post:

Muslim stabs wife when daughter becomes Christian in Australia "If children fail, the mother is at fault and will bear the brunt of the blam"

A devout Muslim woman was attacked and stabbed to death, allegedly by her husband, after their 17-year-old daughter announced she was embracing Christianity, according to police and news reports.

Officials say Dr. Muhammad Hussain, 48, remained in critical condition in the Gold Coast Hospital with knife wounds, under police guard, as authorities investigated the death from stabbing injuries of his wife, Yasmine, 41.

According to Assist News Service, neighbors of the Australian family reported "blood curdling" and "terrifying" screams, along with cries of "Help me, help me, they`re trying to kill me," on Monday night. Shortly after, the report said, Kaihana Hussain fled from the family`s apartment, dressed in underwear because her clothes had been torn off, with blood splattered over her scratched and cut body.

Police found the mother inside the apartment, dead, and the father seriously hurt. It was not immediately clear how the father was also stabbed.

"From what we understand the daughter decided to tell her father of her radical plan to convert to Christianity which, in the eyes of most Muslims, is totally unacceptable and to be honest, sadly, many would react as he has done," a Muslim source told "The Gold Coast Bulletin."

"It is the Islamic way that if a son or daughter does or plans to do something that is unacceptable or wrong for a Muslim then it is the mother who is automatically at fault and will bear the brunt of the blame," the source said.

The mother and daughter apparently had arrived in the popular East Australia region only a few days earlier. The doctor apparently had been there for several weeks, establishing his medical practice.

Elizabeth Kendal, of the World Evangelical Alliance Religious Liberty Commission, told ASSIST that the tragedy highlights "the great and urgent need for rigorous, open debate on what Western religious liberty means for Muslim immigrants, and what Islam`s rejection of apostasy means for Christians in terms of convert care."

Reports said Hussain finished his medical training in Bangladesh in 1982 and in 2001 finished a masters in family medicine program in Australia. The family settled earlier in Adelaide, where the daughter attended a local nondenominational Christian school.

Police indicated the religious dispute was being reviewed, but they couldn`t confirm the details. Neighbors, however, supported that account.

Neighbor Caitlin Dalton told The Australian that many people heard the screams as the girl fled the luxury apartment.

She told the neighbors she had wanted to "convert from the Islam religion … and obviously her father didn`t handle it very well," Dalton said.

A police detective-inspector said the investigation would determine if charges will be filed.

"This matter may end up in a criminal trial or may end up in a coroner`s court. Before we know the full facts, I`m not willing to speculate," he said.

Officials at Pembroke school in Adelaide, where the teen had attended, said the school is nondenominational and students are encouraged "to seek their own spiritual journeys."

Students are not required to participate in Christian services, officials said.

Pembroke principal Malcolm Lamb released a statement explaining the school`s practice.

"In the case of Islamic students the school is in principle and in practice very supportive of students observing religious customs, such as wearing the Hijab – this has happened in the past, observing fasting and the need for prayer rooms," Lamb said.

The Quran does instruct the faithful to kill those who leave the faith but Muslim leaders have said that is not to be taken literally.

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Interestingly, before I posted this here, I posted this in a liberal cesspool of a forum where I am frequently poking fun at the liberals....some of their reactions to my posting this:

Oh please.
There are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world. If it was a violent religion there would be thousands of them killing people every day. They would have all killed each other off a long time ago.

What percentage of the worlds Muslims commit acts of violence?

What percentsge of Christians do?

Does that fact that some members of a religion commit acts of violence mean that the religion is a violent one?

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I hope to hell Christians don't take the bible literally or brothers would be killing each other or fathers would be killing their sons.
Oh wait they do and are arrested for it.

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How about taking these verses in complete context..is that OK with you if I was to post how the Quran speaks in that manner?

Would you be _willing_ to not only listen but consider that snippets taken out of context might be wrong?

One of MANY sources that dig deeper into these very very simple snippets that your side loves to quote..

http://islam.about.com/od/terrorism/f/terrorism_verse.htm

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Q. Aren't there some verses of the Qur'an that condone "killing the infidel"?

A. The Qur'an commands Muslims to stick up for themselves in a defensive battle -- i.e. if an enemy army attacks, then Muslims are to fight against that army until they stop their aggression. All of the verses that speak about fighting/war in the Qur'an are in this context.

There are some specific verses that are very often "snipped" out of context, either by those trying to malign the faith, or by misguided Muslims themselves who wish to justify their aggressive tactics.

For example, one verse (in its snipped version) reads: "slay them wherever you catch them" (Qur'an 2:191). But who is this referring to? Who are "they" that this verse discusses? The preceding and following verses give the correct context:

"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors.

And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevails justice and faith in God; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression" (2:190-193).

It is clear from the context that these verses are discussing a defensive war, when a Muslim community is attacked without reason, oppressed and prevented from practicing their faith. In these circumstances, permission is given to fight back -- but even then Muslims are instructed not to transgress limits, and to cease fighting as soon as the attacker gives up. Even in these circumstances, Muslim are only to fight directly against those who are attacking them, not innocent bystanders or non-combatants.

Another similar verse can be found in chapter 9, verse 5 -- which in its snipped, out of context version could read: "fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)." Again, the preceding and following verses give the context.

This verse was revealed during a historical period when the small Muslim community had entered into treaties with neighboring tribes (Jewish, Christian, and pagan). Several of the pagan tribes had violated the terms of their treaty, secretly aiding an enemy attack against the Muslim community. The verse directly before this one instructs the Muslims to continue to honor treaties with anyone who has not since betrayed them, because fulfilling agreements is considered a righteous action. Then the verse continues, that those who have violated the terms of the treaty have declared war, so fight them... (as quoted above).

Directly after this permission to fight, the same verse continues, "but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them... for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." The subsequent verses instruct the Muslims to grant asylum to any member of the pagan tribe/army who asks for it, and again reminds that "as long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for God loves the righteous."

Any verse that is quoted out of context misses the whole point of the message of the Qur'an. Nowhere in the Qur'an can be found support for indiscriminate slaughter, the killing of non-combatants, or murder of innocent persons in 'payback' for another people's alleged crimes.

The Islamic teachings on this subject can be summed up in the following verses (Qur'an 60:7-8):

"It may be that God will grant love (and friendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies. For God has power (over all things), and God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

God does not forbid you, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loves those who are just."
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***, if youre going to post as someone who 'cares' about the big story, try not parroting what youve heard and read without understanding the big story in full context.

Not a slam, just a request to be as faithful to reality as you try to convince everyone that you are. Because your post that im replying to is typical of EITHER sides sheeple. Read something, take it at 100% face value with no hidden adgenda whatsoever. Dont research, dont quesiton, total trust in what someone who could give a shit what you think..tells you to think.


Romanes Eunt Domus!

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Me thinks they doth protest too much.....I never made commentary on the story....just posted it.

They are such easy targets.

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